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--- title: min_sizes.html
--- description: A collection of mac apps and their minimum window sizes, for people running tiled window managers.
## Minimum Window Sizes of Mac Apps

I use tiled window managers, and some layouts work better with smaller windows, but not all mac apps can do that so this is a collection of minimum window sizes of different apps to help me find which ones are better suited for my workflow.

I use the following thresholds:

* <= 250 = TINY
* > 250 and <= 400 = SMALL
* > 400 and <= 500 = MEDIUM
* > 500 <= 800 = LARGE
* > 800 = HUGE

### Browsers
* Arc: MEDIUM, 470px
* Firefox: SMALL, 250px
* Google Chrome: MEDIUM, 500px
* Lagrange: MEDIUM, 425px
* Qutebrowser: TINY, 135px
* Safari: LARGE, 575px

### Calendars and Contacts
* Calendar: LARGE, 639px
* Cardhop: SMALL, 350px
* Contacts: MEDIUM, 498px
* Fantastical: MEDIUM, 500px; Day view only, Week (510px), Month (516px), Quarter (524px), and Year (504px) are LARGE, though may vary by toolbar icons visible.

## II

### Developer Tools
* Console: LARGE, 600px
* Dash: LARGE, 800px
* Hex Fiend: TINY, 173px
* MultiPatch: MEDIUM, 452px
* RapidAPI: LARGE, 660px
* Script Debugger: MEDIUM, 500px
* SQLPro Studio: LARGE, 600px
* SF Symbols: MEDIUM, 467px
* Sloth: HUGE, 853px
* Thony: TINY, 73px
* WorldWideWeb: MEDIUM, 480px
* Zeal: LARGE, 558px

### Diagramming
* Map: TINY, 227px
* Monodraw: LARGE, 700px
* OmniGraffle: HUGE, 865px

### Document and Book Readers
* Adobe Digital Editions: LARGE, 700px
* Books: MEDIUM, 500px; Only when reading, the main window (1000px) is HUGE
* Calibre: TINY, 74px; Only when reading, the main window (570px) is LARGE
* Marked: SMALL, 400px
* Preview: LARGE, 708px

## III

### File Managers
* Finder: SMALL, 316px; Without sidebar, otherwise MEDIUM at 446px
* Transmission: SMALL, 350px
* Transmit: HUGE, 880px
* VeraCrypt: LARGE, 699px
* SoulSeekQt: LARGE, 778px

### Home and Automation
* Automator: MEDIUM, 500px
* Home: LARGE, 515px
* Shortcuts: LARGE, 750px

### IDEs
* Android Studio: SMALL, 340px; Welcome window (800px) is LARGE
* Max 8: TINY, 118px
* Xcode: HUGE, 960px

## IV

### Image/3D/Publishing
* Acorn: LARGE, 800px
* Affinity Designer 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
* Affinity Photo 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
* Affinity Publisher 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
* Blender: SMALL, 320px
* Dark Room: HUGE, 900px
* Glyphs Mini: MEDIUM, 450px
* Paintbrush: TINY, 200px; Though it has floating windows
* Photomator: HUGE, 980px
* Photos: LARGE, 750px
* Pixelmator Pro: LARGE, 800px
* Sketch: LARGE, 800px

### Instant Messaging / Chat / Social Media
* Adium: TINY, 73px friend list, 200px chat; Some themes scroll at 200px
* Discord: HUGE, 940px
* Facetime: LARGE, 672px
* Ivory: SMALL, 378px
* Keybase: LARGE, 740px
* Last.fm Scrobbler: LARGE, 540px
* Legacy Scrobbler: LARGE, 640px
* Messages: MEDIUM, 434px
* Signal: LARGE, 680px
* Slack: LARGE, 668px
* Telegram: MEDIUM, 380px
* Textual: MEDIUM, 342px
* We: TINY, 74px

## V

### Marketplaces
* App Store: HUGE, 1000px
* Setapp: HUGE, 1100px
* Steam: HUGE, 1008px

### Math
* Calculator: TINY, 232px; Programmer (398px) is SMALL, Scientific (574px) is LARGE
* PCalc: SMALL, 380px
* Numi: SMALL, 310px
* Soulver: LARGE, 730px

### Note-taking
* Bear: SMALL, 300px; With Notes (570px) and Tags (752px) it's LARGE
* Notes: MEDIUM, 500px
* Obsidian: TINY, 200px
* Stickies: TINY, 54px

### Office Software
* iA Presenter: LARGE, 700px
* Keynote: LARGE, 540px
* Mellel: MEDIUM, 456px
* Numbers: LARGE, 540px; The new window (760px) is also LARGE
* OmniPlan: LARGE, 740px
* Pages: LARGE, 640px

## VI

### Media Players
* IINA: SMALL, 286px
* Music: HUGE, 980px
* Odio: HUGE, 1000px
* Play: HUGE, 870px
* Podcasts: HUGE, 1000px
* QuickTime Player: SMALL, 326px
* Swinsian: HUGE, 870px
* XLD: LARGE, 640px

### Mail
* Mail: SMALL, 360px with sidebar disabled; With layout column it's 550px
* MailMate: SMALL, 380px; Only with sources disabled, otherwise MEDIUM 488px

### Music Making
* Ableton Live: LARGE, 800px
* Capo: LARGE, 777px
* GarageBand: SMALL, 400px
* Logic Pro: SMALL, 400px
* MuseScore: HUGE, 1050px
* Reason: HUGE, 972px; The Reason companion is 1200px

### News Readers / Bookmarks
* NetNewsWire: LARGE, 585px
* News: HUGE, 860px
* Pins: LARGE, 515px
* Reeder: SMALL, 320px
* Unison: LARGE, 800px

## VII

### Password Managers
* 1password: LARGE, 784px
* Bitwarden: LARGE, 680px
* KeePassX: LARGE, 558px
* Passwords: LARGE, 668px
* Secrets: LARGE, 603px

### Task Managers
* Do: TINY, 180px
* Reminders: SMALL, 350px
* Ritmo: TINY, 85px
* Things: SMALL, 400px

### Terminal Emulators
* iTerm 2: TINY, 70px; Size depends on font, I got down to 7 columns
* Kitty: TINY, 22px; Size depends on font, I got down to 2 columns
* Terminal: TINY, 190px; Size depends on font, I got down to 20 columns

### Text Editors
* Atom: TINY, 73px
* BBEdit: SMALL, 311px
* Byword: SMALL, 350px
* Inky: SMALL, 350px
* Nova: MEDIUM, 480px
* Scrivener: SMALL, 316px
* Sublime Text: TINY, 91px
* TextEdit: TINY, 159px; Can go smaller, but not for very long.
* Ulysses: LARGE, 555px
* Visual Studio Code: SMALL, 400px

## VIII

### Utilities
* Activity Monitor: LARGE, 740px
* CleanMyMacX: HUGE, 1120px
* Clock: LARGE, 600px
* CrystalFetch: LARGE, 800px
* DaisyDisk: LARGE, 800px
* DeepL: LARGE, 580px
* Delicious Library 3: LARGE, 800px
* Dictionary: SMALL, 400px
* Find My: HUGE, 980px
* Flighty: LARGE, 515px
* Font Book: SMALL, 350px
* Freeform: LARGE, 600px
* Gemini: HUGE, 1152px
* GPG Keychain: MEDIUM, 470px
* HP Smart: HUGE, 1024px
* Logitech G Hub: HUGE, 1024px
* Malwarebytes: HUGE, 888px
* Maps: LARGE, 660px
* ObinsKit: HUGE, 1200px
* Parcel: LARGE, 722px
* Photo Booth: LARGE, 600px
* Stapler: SMALL, 300px
* Stocks: HUGE, 860px
* Typeface: MEDIUM, 440px
* Voice Memos: LARGE, 752px
* Weather: HUGE 985px
* YubiKeyManager: TINY 74px. Technically! it doesn't show the content or scroll, more like MEDIUM 476px for the content view.

### Video Editing / Streaming
* DaVinci Resolve: HUGE, 1445px
* iMovie: HUGE, 1280px
* OBS: HUGE, 867px

### VPN
* NordVPN: HUGE, 902px
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aecb2ec8 RBR	1	--- title: min_sizes.html
aecb2ec8 RBR	2	--- description: A collection of mac apps and their minimum window sizes, for people running tiled window managers.
f752d89a	3	## Minimum Window Sizes of Mac Apps
3c6823f7 RBR	4
	5	I use tiled window managers, and some layouts work better with smaller windows, but not all mac apps can do that so this is a collection of minimum window sizes of different apps to help me find which ones are better suited for my workflow.
	6
	7	I use the following thresholds:
	8
	9	* <= 250 = TINY
	10	* > 250 and <= 400 = SMALL
	11	* > 400 and <= 500 = MEDIUM
	12	* > 500 <= 800 = LARGE
	13	* > 800 = HUGE
	14
f752d89a	15	### Browsers
3c6823f7	16	* Arc: MEDIUM, 470px
4942b76f	17	* Firefox: SMALL, 250px
3c6823f7 RBR	18	* Google Chrome: MEDIUM, 500px
3c6823f7 RBR	19	* Lagrange: MEDIUM, 425px
4942b76f	20	* Qutebrowser: TINY, 135px
3c6823f7 RBR	21	* Safari: LARGE, 575px
3c6823f7 RBR	22
f752d89a	23	### Calendars and Contacts
3c6823f7 RBR	24	* Calendar: LARGE, 639px
	25	* Cardhop: SMALL, 350px
	26	* Contacts: MEDIUM, 498px
	27	* Fantastical: MEDIUM, 500px; Day view only, Week (510px), Month (516px), Quarter (524px), and Year (504px) are LARGE, though may vary by toolbar icons visible.
	28
f752d89a RBR	29	## II
	30
	31	### Developer Tools
3c6823f7 RBR	32	* Console: LARGE, 600px
	33	* Dash: LARGE, 800px
	34	* Hex Fiend: TINY, 173px
4942b76f	35	* MultiPatch: MEDIUM, 452px
3c6823f7	36	* RapidAPI: LARGE, 660px
4942b76f	37	* Script Debugger: MEDIUM, 500px
3c6823f7 RBR	38	* SQLPro Studio: LARGE, 600px
	39	* SF Symbols: MEDIUM, 467px
	40	* Sloth: HUGE, 853px
	41	* Thony: TINY, 73px
	42	* WorldWideWeb: MEDIUM, 480px
4942b76f	43	* Zeal: LARGE, 558px
3c6823f7	44
f752d89a	45	### Diagramming
4942b76f	46	* Map: TINY, 227px
3c6823f7 RBR	47	* Monodraw: LARGE, 700px
	48	* OmniGraffle: HUGE, 865px
	49
f752d89a	50	### Document and Book Readers
3c6823f7 RBR	51	* Adobe Digital Editions: LARGE, 700px
	52	* Books: MEDIUM, 500px; Only when reading, the main window (1000px) is HUGE
	53	* Calibre: TINY, 74px; Only when reading, the main window (570px) is LARGE
	54	* Marked: SMALL, 400px
	55	* Preview: LARGE, 708px
	56
f752d89a RBR	57	## III
	58
	59	### File Managers
3c6823f7 RBR	60	* Finder: SMALL, 316px; Without sidebar, otherwise MEDIUM at 446px
	61	* Transmission: SMALL, 350px
	62	* Transmit: HUGE, 880px
	63	* VeraCrypt: LARGE, 699px
4942b76f	64	* SoulSeekQt: LARGE, 778px
3c6823f7	65
f752d89a	66	### Home and Automation
3c6823f7 RBR	67	* Automator: MEDIUM, 500px
	68	* Home: LARGE, 515px
	69	* Shortcuts: LARGE, 750px
	70
f752d89a	71	### IDEs
3c6823f7 RBR	72	* Android Studio: SMALL, 340px; Welcome window (800px) is LARGE
	73	* Max 8: TINY, 118px
	74	* Xcode: HUGE, 960px
	75
f752d89a RBR	76	## IV
	77
	78	### Image/3D/Publishing
3c6823f7 RBR	79	* Acorn: LARGE, 800px
	80	* Affinity Designer 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
	81	* Affinity Photo 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
	82	* Affinity Publisher 2: MEDIUM, 500px; Preferences (800px) is LARGE and Account (1078px) is HUGE
	83	* Blender: SMALL, 320px
	84	* Dark Room: HUGE, 900px
	85	* Glyphs Mini: MEDIUM, 450px
	86	* Paintbrush: TINY, 200px; Though it has floating windows
	87	* Photomator: HUGE, 980px
	88	* Photos: LARGE, 750px
	89	* Pixelmator Pro: LARGE, 800px
	90	* Sketch: LARGE, 800px
	91
f752d89a	92	### Instant Messaging / Chat / Social Media
3c6823f7 RBR	93	* Adium: TINY, 73px friend list, 200px chat; Some themes scroll at 200px
	94	* Discord: HUGE, 940px
	95	* Facetime: LARGE, 672px
	96	* Ivory: SMALL, 378px
	97	* Keybase: LARGE, 740px
	98	* Last.fm Scrobbler: LARGE, 540px
4942b76f	99	* Legacy Scrobbler: LARGE, 640px
3c6823f7 RBR	100	* Messages: MEDIUM, 434px
	101	* Signal: LARGE, 680px
	102	* Slack: LARGE, 668px
	103	* Telegram: MEDIUM, 380px
	104	* Textual: MEDIUM, 342px
	105	* We: TINY, 74px
	106
f752d89a RBR	107	## V
	108
	109	### Marketplaces
3c6823f7 RBR	110	* App Store: HUGE, 1000px
	111	* Setapp: HUGE, 1100px
	112	* Steam: HUGE, 1008px
	113
f752d89a	114	### Math
3c6823f7 RBR	115	* Calculator: TINY, 232px; Programmer (398px) is SMALL, Scientific (574px) is LARGE
	116	* PCalc: SMALL, 380px
	117	* Numi: SMALL, 310px
	118	* Soulver: LARGE, 730px
	119
f752d89a	120	### Note-taking
3c6823f7 RBR	121	* Bear: SMALL, 300px; With Notes (570px) and Tags (752px) it's LARGE
	122	* Notes: MEDIUM, 500px
	123	* Obsidian: TINY, 200px
	124	* Stickies: TINY, 54px
	125
f752d89a	126	### Office Software
4942b76f	127	* iA Presenter: LARGE, 700px
3c6823f7	128	* Keynote: LARGE, 540px
4942b76f	129	* Mellel: MEDIUM, 456px
3c6823f7 RBR	130	* Numbers: LARGE, 540px; The new window (760px) is also LARGE
	131	* OmniPlan: LARGE, 740px
	132	* Pages: LARGE, 640px
	133
f752d89a RBR	134	## VI
	135
	136	### Media Players
3c6823f7 RBR	137	* IINA: SMALL, 286px
	138	* Music: HUGE, 980px
	139	* Odio: HUGE, 1000px
	140	* Play: HUGE, 870px
	141	* Podcasts: HUGE, 1000px
	142	* QuickTime Player: SMALL, 326px
	143	* Swinsian: HUGE, 870px
4942b76f	144	* XLD: LARGE, 640px
3c6823f7	145
f752d89a	146	### Mail
4942b76f RBR	147	* Mail: SMALL, 360px with sidebar disabled; With layout column it's 550px
4942b76f RBR	148	* MailMate: SMALL, 380px; Only with sources disabled, otherwise MEDIUM 488px
3c6823f7	149
f752d89a	150	### Music Making
3c6823f7 RBR	151	* Ableton Live: LARGE, 800px
	152	* Capo: LARGE, 777px
	153	* GarageBand: SMALL, 400px
	154	* Logic Pro: SMALL, 400px
	155	* MuseScore: HUGE, 1050px
	156	* Reason: HUGE, 972px; The Reason companion is 1200px
	157
f752d89a	158	### News Readers / Bookmarks
3c6823f7 RBR	159	* NetNewsWire: LARGE, 585px
	160	* News: HUGE, 860px
	161	* Pins: LARGE, 515px
	162	* Reeder: SMALL, 320px
	163	* Unison: LARGE, 800px
	164
f752d89a RBR	165	## VII
	166
	167	### Password Managers
3c6823f7	168	* 1password: LARGE, 784px
e39d0bb4	169	* Bitwarden: LARGE, 680px
3c6823f7	170	* KeePassX: LARGE, 558px
0fa34c82	171	* Passwords: LARGE, 668px
3c6823f7 RBR	172	* Secrets: LARGE, 603px
3c6823f7 RBR	173
f752d89a	174	### Task Managers
3c6823f7 RBR	175	* Do: TINY, 180px
	176	* Reminders: SMALL, 350px
	177	* Ritmo: TINY, 85px
	178	* Things: SMALL, 400px
	179
f752d89a	180	### Terminal Emulators
3c6823f7 RBR	181	* iTerm 2: TINY, 70px; Size depends on font, I got down to 7 columns
	182	* Kitty: TINY, 22px; Size depends on font, I got down to 2 columns
	183	* Terminal: TINY, 190px; Size depends on font, I got down to 20 columns
	184
f752d89a	185	### Text Editors
3c6823f7 RBR	186	* Atom: TINY, 73px
	187	* BBEdit: SMALL, 311px
	188	* Byword: SMALL, 350px
	189	* Inky: SMALL, 350px
	190	* Nova: MEDIUM, 480px
	191	* Scrivener: SMALL, 316px
	192	* Sublime Text: TINY, 91px
	193	* TextEdit: TINY, 159px; Can go smaller, but not for very long.
	194	* Ulysses: LARGE, 555px
	195	* Visual Studio Code: SMALL, 400px
	196
f752d89a RBR	197	## VIII
	198
	199	### Utilities
3c6823f7	200	* Activity Monitor: LARGE, 740px
4942b76f	201	* CleanMyMacX: HUGE, 1120px
3c6823f7 RBR	202	* Clock: LARGE, 600px
	203	* CrystalFetch: LARGE, 800px
	204	* DaisyDisk: LARGE, 800px
4942b76f RBR	205	* DeepL: LARGE, 580px
4942b76f RBR	206	* Delicious Library 3: LARGE, 800px
3c6823f7 RBR	207	* Dictionary: SMALL, 400px
	208	* Find My: HUGE, 980px
	209	* Flighty: LARGE, 515px
	210	* Font Book: SMALL, 350px
	211	* Freeform: LARGE, 600px
4942b76f	212	* Gemini: HUGE, 1152px
3c6823f7 RBR	213	* GPG Keychain: MEDIUM, 470px
	214	* HP Smart: HUGE, 1024px
	215	* Logitech G Hub: HUGE, 1024px
	216	* Malwarebytes: HUGE, 888px
	217	* Maps: LARGE, 660px
	218	* ObinsKit: HUGE, 1200px
	219	* Parcel: LARGE, 722px
	220	* Photo Booth: LARGE, 600px
4942b76f	221	* Stapler: SMALL, 300px
3c6823f7	222	* Stocks: HUGE, 860px
4942b76f	223	* Typeface: MEDIUM, 440px
3c6823f7 RBR	224	* Voice Memos: LARGE, 752px
3c6823f7 RBR	225	* Weather: HUGE 985px
4942b76f	226	* YubiKeyManager: TINY 74px. Technically! it doesn't show the content or scroll, more like MEDIUM 476px for the content view.
3c6823f7	227
f752d89a	228	### Video Editing / Streaming
3c6823f7 RBR	229	* DaVinci Resolve: HUGE, 1445px
	230	* iMovie: HUGE, 1280px
	231	* OBS: HUGE, 867px
	232
f752d89a	233	### VPN
3c6823f7	234	* NordVPN: HUGE, 902px